Renaming of Ion3 in Debian

Discussion about development of the Debian OS itself

What name should Debian use?

Poll ended at 2007-05-14 12:23

Union (both "un-ion" and a pun on what is actually a "fork")
8
26%
Fission (pun on a particle "breaking up")
10
32%
Radical (pun on "radical ion" + managing the root ("radix") window)
0
No votes
Ion3-deviant (play on Debian + variant and the idea that modified versions are broken)
0
No votes
Iceparticle (following an established trend...)
13
42%
 
Total votes: 31

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Renaming of Ion3 in Debian

#1 Post by benh »

The author of Ion has imposed new conditions on use of its name that mean Debian can no longer distribute it under this name.

Thanks to Markus Fleck-Graffe for the first three name suggestions.

Feel free to write-in additional suggestions. If there's a really good name, I reserve the right to pick that and disregard the poll results.

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#2 Post by ksandstr »

My WIPO would be "notion", as in "not ion". I'd also vastly prefer "fission" over "union" due to obvious difference in meaning.

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#3 Post by AgenT »

Why do people add such naming clauses? There is no need for it. That is what trademarks, etc. are for.

Since this is Ion3, how about:
NO3 (nitrogen ion)
proton (meh)
ionWM (most obvious to people searching the wm)
Out of those listed in the poll, fission is best. Personally I like ionWM.

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#4 Post by DeanLinkous »

Non-ion Nonion N-onion .....
I suck at names!
fusion...
Aye, fight and you may fail, sellout, and you may live, a while. And dying in your MScash beds, you'll be willin' to trade ALL the cash, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may FUD our customers, but they'll never take...OUR FREEDOM!

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#5 Post by benh »

AgenT wrote:Why do people add such naming clauses? There is no need for it. That is what trademarks, etc. are for.

Since this is Ion3, how about:
NO3 (nitrogen ion)
proton (meh)
ionWM (most obvious to people searching the wm)
Out of those listed in the poll, fission is best. Personally I like ionWM.
There is no naming clause and this is based on a trademark claim.

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#6 Post by DeanLinkous »

Is the code significantly changed?
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onion

#7 Post by joeyh »

Still a fan of this suggestion by Clint. Like an onion, ion is not fun for the uninitiated, but craved by those who know it. Plus some analogy could be drawn between tabs and an onion's layers.
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#9 Post by AgenT »

Onion makes me think of anonymity and the internet (think Tor and Onion Routing). Other than that, it is a nice and simple name. But I am still sticking to ionWM ;)

In terms of the clause statement, that is actually what I meant. I just did not word my response correctly.

Quoting the Ion3 website: "Distributors should pay heed to the name policy notice in the LICENSE file."

Quoting the LICENSE file:
The code of this project is "essentially" licensed under the LGPL, version
2.1, unless otherwise indicated in components taken from elsewhere. It is
reproduced below. Additionally, the following terms apply to the use of
the names Ion, Ion3, and other derived names:
"Essentially" :roll:

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#10 Post by tuomov »

Only "radical" and "iceparticle" are acceptable names. The rest are GAIM vs. AIM all over again, or worse.

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#11 Post by Vergil »

pion

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#12 Post by AgenT »

Vergil wrote:pion
Nice! Pion is only a Peon. ;)

thamarok

#13 Post by thamarok »

Why just an ion? Why not atom, molecule? AtomWM, MoleculeWM, AtomculeWM, Magnesiumoxide?

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#14 Post by AgenT »

thamarok wrote:Why just an ion? Why not atom, molecule? AtomWM, MoleculeWM, AtomculeWM, Magnesiumoxide?
An advantage to a name which has ion in it, such as Pion, is that searching for ion will result in pion.

For a few completely different names:
TileWM (from description: "Ion is a tiling tabbed window manager designed with keyboard users in mind.)
KeyWM
KWM (for Keyboard WM)

Onion sounds nice too. OnionWM.

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#15 Post by Pobega »

I kind of like OnionWM, I don't know why. I just think it's a very catchy name.
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#16 Post by DeanLinkous »

I like union. Nonion would be cool IMO but onion would be neat too. The whole thing is a bit lame so go for a lame name that will alert everyon to the issue - ice-particle! He seems to claim that even something with ion in the name would not be legit.

Was reading here
http://archlinux.org/pipermail/tur-user ... 04658.html
and came across this gem...
Welcome to the real world. The world where the FOSS herd advances
its selfish [sic] least-common-denominator herd interests by fraud,
deception and lying; by claiming the software they patched with crap
that they author does not approve of, to be the original. The world
where the FOSS herd keeps destroying everything that was good about
*nix, and replacing it with sorry Windows-inspired kludges, that
are too complex for the power user to configure to his liking
anymore; turning it into an idiot box? That is the spirit of open
source you talk about?

--
Tuomo
The rest of the thread is a good read also. It appears that he claims that even a set of instructions that builds ion3 plus patches would constitute a derived work itself - not the software built but even the instructions to do so....
Aye, fight and you may fail, sellout, and you may live, a while. And dying in your MScash beds, you'll be willin' to trade ALL the cash, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may FUD our customers, but they'll never take...OUR FREEDOM!

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Ouron? Weon?

#17 Post by Velvet Elvis »

Some form of the first person plural to put emphasis on community and also say "he's got his and we've got ours."

Edited to add a couple of my favorite Tuomo quotes:

Did you xinerama causes global warming?

http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/ion-g ... 01809.html
> I don't like xinerama therefore:

... I am not going to waste my breath supporting it. Recent
research, BTW, suggests that the manufacturing of a computer
with a monitor, takes five times as much energy as the
manufacturing of a car. And it is well-known that the
manufacturing of a car takes much more energy (but not with
quite as high a factor as the above) than a car uses in its
lifetime -- which also isn't a small number. So, there,
you techno-toy fetists chasing after the latest cool gizmo
and upgrading your hardware every few months: your lifestyle
may not last long.
Life would be easier for software developers if there were no users:
http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/ion-g ... 01806.html
The less users, the better. Users a problem: they make demands, requests,
and complaints. I just want to finish this crap and forget about it.

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#18 Post by Vergil »

tuomov wrote:Only "radical" and "iceparticle" are acceptable names. The rest are GAIM vs. AIM all over again, or worse.
I don't think it is quite the same. Gaim is not a word itself, just the trademark word with a letter added (standing for something). I think that Fion (free ion) would not work, but Union is a unique word in its own right.

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#19 Post by lexual »

I think cation would be a good name.
It's a positive ion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cation
That get's my vote.

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#20 Post by tuomov »

Vergil wrote:
tuomov wrote:Only "radical" and "iceparticle" are acceptable names. The rest are GAIM vs. AIM all over again, or worse.
I don't think it is quite the same. Gaim is not a word itself, just the trademark word with a letter added (standing for something). I think that Fion (free ion) would not work, but Union is a unique word in its own right.
AIM is not a word either, the way it's written; Ion is.

Being a derived work, it's obvious that the intent in "union" etc. is to refer to the original work.

You know, I can always modify the license for future releases to not allow any particular name you choose. (It's not trademark-only.)

Or I could make it closed source, but I thought Ion3 would be my final gift to the FOSS herd, that it can never hope to repay. After that I'll be sticking to writing closed source -- perhaps for Windows. The FOSS herd simply isn't worth my work.

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