No disagreement from me.brainchild wrote: ↑2022-12-06 03:39 Yes, I understand. I think some find irksome not being able to resolve a correct answer, more so than the subject matter not being narrowly targeted. At least, it would explain why so much frustration was noisily vented over my not giving any premise (e.g. any "argument") that might be negated. In fact, the frustration ran so steep that easily-refuted premises simply were attributed to me inaccurately, along with, of course, the actual refutations.
Rapid or evolving technology/software deserves a voice and a platform as most of the software developed comes from: 'How does this work', 'How can I/We make this better'?brainchild wrote: ↑2022-12-06 03:39 There are how questions and why questions. In developing technology, we often become so embedded in the how that we imagine some kind of relevance sealed away from the real world, which demands us to ask why.
I like where you are going with this, but perhaps wait a bit. It is a lot to absorb. Good points though. Maybe one point/thread per week. I really enjoy the technical crowd coming in and adding information and defending stances, I am honest in saying that I learned a lot in this thread.brainchild wrote: ↑2022-12-06 03:39 Why does Debian maintain its own separate package system? Is a technical reason satisfying, or is the reason primarily historic? Are upgrades isolated and reversible, or incremental and unidirectional? Are snapshots best handled through the file system, or through an abstracted file tree? Does Debian handle the full gamut of demands asked of modern operating systems, or prefer to stay confined to a more narrow niche? I think all such questions are broadly constructive.
The naysayers and hot heads can be ignored as long as there is some kind of education in the topic. The latter will eventually get frustrated with being ignored and stop 'contributing' in threads like this, or find somewhere else to post vitriol. Either way, that boorish behaviour is not welcome here by any means.
Don't let the insulting posters distract or confuse you. Debian does listen to outside voices and takes contributions, in the same model as here it is up to the users to support or contribute to the idea. Debian Developers are not point and click workers, we are people, we see things that we would like to change and make those changes. This is not unavailable to those who would like to see changes with contributions or discussions. As a secondary point, while this discussion is welcome here, the official Debian mailing lists may have been a better venue for this discussion ... though the feedback here would lend to a better thread on the mailing lists for defensible positions. Win/Win.brainchild wrote: ↑2022-12-06 03:39 For my part, I had assumed Debian users largely would want the system to evolve along a tract common with certain competitors, but now I understand the strength of devotion to certain classic characteristics. Yet, Debian is not just the Debian distribution, but also a larger family, including derivations. Of course, I understand when someone grows fond of a system, discussing major changes may be unpleasant.
One of the other Administrators moved the thread here to this area, and to be fair, it was a good decision. We have specific areas and that administrator chose this area for whichever reasons they may have chosen.brainchild wrote: ↑2022-12-06 03:39 However, to your point of encouraging discussion, I doubt any encouragement truly follows by relegating such threads to a section called "Offtopic". Perhaps another section might be added for the purpose, one with a more uplifting description, for example, "General Discussion". (In fact, although the thread was moved to "Offtopic", the description is given as "If it doesn't relate to Debian, but you still want to share it, please do it here". Based on descriptions alone, I tend to consider a better match to be the original location, "Development Discussion", or otherwise, "General Debian".)
Lastly, I'm not pushing forward your particular viewpoints or ideology, but I welcome it and will not have anyone here speak over you or shout you down as 'unpopular' as it may be.
Freedom of expression and software demands equal voices, and that will always be accepted here.