Is Debian "woke"? [POLL]

[cds60601]

In recent times, it appears that many FOSS and GNU Linux distros have gone "woke".
Firstly, I understand that "woke" could conceivably mean different things to different people so to narrow the scope down a bit,
we'll consider that non-woke is simply what FOSS and GNU Linux used to be say 5 or even 10 years years back.

[sunrat]

I don't know what woke means.

[cds60601]

I don't know what woke means.

Divisiveness, social justice, etc.
For example, when a company hires someone, they hire based on sexual orientation, political beliefs, etc. at the sacrifice of hiring the right person with the right talents for the job all in the name of social justice etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

[Diesel330]

I believe Debian should be focusing on making a great product and leave politics aside, this is what I think they doing. What do you think is woke about Debian

[anticapitalista]

What's wrong with social justice?

[Hallvor]

What's wrong with social justice?

The interpretation of what constitutes justice will vary on one's background, values and political beliefs. Some may find hiring practices based on gender and race as a means to level the playing field for groups that are underrepresented. Others will view such practices as unnecessary, or even sexist and racist, and prefer hiring based simply on merit and qualification.

So what some people see as justice, others may view as unjust and immoral.

[jmgibson1981]

Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination".

As per wikipedia.

Divisiveness, social justice, etc.

This is what the so called right believes it is. It isn't. And I'll stop there because I have no desire to get into a political debate nor is this the place for it.

Your definition is wrong.

[CwF]

'Woke' is a scaled up synonym of 'clique'
Humans are tribal in nature, period.
Arguments against this simplicity come from the 'inside', defensively.

Oh ya, I've never seen a multiple choice that hits the full range.
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[FreewheelinFrank]

Debian is proudly anti-discriminatory and inclusive.

No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups

The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons.

https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines

The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.

No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community.

https://www.debian.org/intro/diversity

These statements date from 1997 and 2012, core parts of the Debian philosophy.

Applying political "culture war" pejorative terms to the Debian philosophy is not interacting constructively with the community. Leave your baggage at the door please.

[sdibaja]

personally I have not experienced a Woke environment, yet...maybe it will come here someday.
I don't feel that Debian is in any way Woke.

in closing, I will never support the Woke mentality ... hence my vote

[BBQdave]

The interpretation of what constitutes justice will vary on one's background, values and political beliefs. Some may find hiring practices based on gender and race as a means to level the playing field for groups that are underrepresented. Others will view such practices as unnecessary, or even sexist and racist, and prefer hiring based simply on merit and qualification.

So what some people see as justice, others may view as unjust and immoral.

Well said.

And thanks to FreewheelinFrank for the Debian philosophy quotes. To have as diverse as possible group of people sharing their experiences and skills, grows and strengthens a community.

I would offer, that the OP is mixing up competition and community. If you are trying to compete and you set a formula to only include a set amount of one gender and a set amount of one skin pigmentation, poor strategy. If you are trying to compete and you set a formula to not include a set amount of one gender and not include a set amount of one skin pigmentation, poor strategy.

If you are building community, add as many resources as you can, including people. There's no limit to adding resources and people to the Debian community, so add and grow

[NFT5]

The interpretation of what constitutes justice will vary on one's background, values and political beliefs.

Unfortunately wokism transcends politics although It is true that the various sides (of politics) use the practice to "demonstrate" their commitment to the concept. Regrettably such extension doesn't seem to include the same things and this is where the concept falls down as definition leans more to interpretation rather than fact and just becomes another vote grabbing tool or something to advance the individual's or group's agenda.

For this reason I strongly support the position, as defined by Debian, above, but not wokism. Voted accordingly.

[Bulkley]

For the life of me I can't understand what woke (by whatever definition) has to do with software.

[sunrat]

For the life of me I can't understand what woke (by whatever definition) has to do with software.

+1

woke (wōk)
v.
A past tense of wake

[steve_v]

Personally I don't think "woke" is quite the correct term for it, but I'm pretty sure I know what cds is talking about. It's kinda hard to miss.
That BS probably has a place somewhere, but technical boards and software development isn't it.

If a project wants to waste time and energy with such inane virtue-signalling frivolities as removing "problematic" words from source code, writing 50-page codes of conduct to avoid anyone offending anyone ever, or hiring incompetent people just to fill a diversity quota, that's up to them...
I sure won't be helping though, nor will I be continuing memberships and/or donations if that's what they're funding.

[stevepusser]

I myself am PO'd by your clickbaity thread title.

There's plenty of room to put "Is Debian "woke"? [POLL]" instead. You're...not...Larry...King...FFS...

[kent_dorfman766]

I've always maintained that to play online you should have a thick skin and "grow a pair", but the "woke crowd" will be quick to hammer me for using a sexist phrase (purely as a way of trying to exert some control over me, not for being truly hurt by the phrase). As old and disgruntled as I am, I care not.

[Fossy]

Adults are increasingly infantilized thanks to the Internet ; the woke culture , Media c.q. Social Media .
Nonsensical, patronizing government campaigns infantilize citizens.

I disclaim any part in the prank .

By the way , don't confuse Debian and Debian User Forums .

[cds60601]

I myself am PO'd by your clickbaity thread title.

There's plenty of room to put "Is Debian "woke"? [POLL]" instead. You're...not...Larry...King...FFS...

Wasn't intended but you are correct. Changed.

[wizard10000]

Can we please keep politics out of support forums?