Posted separately so as not to interfere with an ongoing topic that caught my attention and raises a question with me .
this thread : viewtopic.php?p=770142#p770142
DEBIAN PackageManagementTools : apt / aptitude / Synaptic / gdebi / gnome-software
( https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagementTools )
VERSUS :
The RPM Package Manager (RPM) is a command-line driven package management system capable of installing, uninstalling, verifying, querying, and updating computer software packages
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager )
“ Although it was created for use in Red Hat Linux, RPM is now used in many Linux distributions such as PCLinuxOS, Fedora, AlmaLinux, CentOS, openSUSE, OpenMandriva and Oracle Linux. It has also been ported to some other operating systems, such as Novell NetWare (as of version 6.5 SP3), IBM's AIX (as of version 4),[7] IBM i,[8] and ArcaOS.[9]
Of the five classic options, "aptitude" is the only tool I don't use ... (to all satisfaction nota bene)
Why should I let rpm saddle me as an alternative ?
For completeness sake :
I'm currently running Debian 11.6 Bullseye with kernel 5.10.0-21-amd64
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[Discussion] RPM VS DEBIAN PackageManagementTools
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Re: [Discussion] RPM VS DEBIAN PackageManagementTools
RPM is mostly the format of the packages in RedHat Linux and Fedora Project now. DNF is the preferred command line tool for package management of RPM's.
dnf is similar to apt-get, one difference: dnf upgrade does the same as
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
dnf is similar to apt-get, one difference: dnf upgrade does the same as
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
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Re: [Discussion] RPM VS DEBIAN PackageManagementTools
I don't understand the question. Are you asking which is better? APT of course!
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Re: [Discussion] RPM VS DEBIAN PackageManagementTools
That is a clear point of view , thank You , I on the other hand also make grateful use of GDebi , Synaptic / Gnome-Software & Updates ... but that's me
Have rephrased my question ( DeepL Translator ) :
What is the point of this program considering Debian provides more than enough efficient package management tools OOTB … Why is this program included in the standard deb packages of Debian ?
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Re: [Discussion] RPM VS DEBIAN PackageManagementTools
When I was using PCLinuxOS (long time ago) I used mainly synaptic and here under Debian since Wheezy I am using mainly synaptic also.
So, for me no difference here. The big difference for me was and is, when looking for a special software, the chance to find a *.deb package is much higher than finding a *.rpm package ....
br KH
So, for me no difference here. The big difference for me was and is, when looking for a special software, the chance to find a *.deb package is much higher than finding a *.rpm package ....
br KH
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Re: [Discussion] RPM VS DEBIAN PackageManagementTools
My first foray into sponsored distros was the redhat world: centos, fedora, forced to use commercial redhat at guvt customers, etc.
So I became quite adept at using RPM and creating packages using that toolset.
Since dumping the redhat world debian packaing format has grown on me a bit. As long as I can use synaptic "as root" on X11 then I'm happy. I do think there are way too many options and subprograms where deb package management is concerned though. Nothing seems as straightforward as it should be in the debian package management world
So I became quite adept at using RPM and creating packages using that toolset.
Since dumping the redhat world debian packaing format has grown on me a bit. As long as I can use synaptic "as root" on X11 then I'm happy. I do think there are way too many options and subprograms where deb package management is concerned though. Nothing seems as straightforward as it should be in the debian package management world
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Re: [Discussion] RPM VS DEBIAN PackageManagementTools
Feel shamefully cheated and misled … or had better do some DuckDuckGo before posting
this actually involves .rpm packages , has nothing to do with Debian .deb proprietary packages .
so as far as I'm concerned I don't give a damn and lament me now from this topic posted .
Leave it to the “aliens” ...
this actually involves .rpm packages , has nothing to do with Debian .deb proprietary packages .
so as far as I'm concerned I don't give a damn and lament me now from this topic posted .
Leave it to the “aliens” ...
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Re: [Discussion] RPM VS DEBIAN PackageManagementTools
Dpkg is Debian's package manager that informs of lack of dependencies. Apt is Debian's dependency resolver that heavily relies on dpkg. Synaptic and many others are GUI frontends to apt.
Dpkg is equivalent to RPM and apt is equivalent to yum/dnf/zypper
In my opinion there is not much difference between dpkg and RPM.
The dependency resolvers is another matter though. When removing software, apt is the only tool that will do it right that I've used. (I have not used dnf to test this).
When installing software they all act fairly similar until you want the least bit of control. Sometimes there are odd situations where dependencies calculated are wrong. On an RPM based distro, this can normally be addressed with a simple flag to the package manager or resolver. On Debian, this can be done too with dpkg, but if you use apt then you are ducked and only have one choice, download the problematic .deb file, extract it, adjust the dep list and remake it and then install that new deb file. This is a lot of work for something that an end user ignore flag should be enabled and respected.
That's my observations. To summarise, personally I think apt works better but it does at least one crucial flaw.
Dpkg is equivalent to RPM and apt is equivalent to yum/dnf/zypper
In my opinion there is not much difference between dpkg and RPM.
The dependency resolvers is another matter though. When removing software, apt is the only tool that will do it right that I've used. (I have not used dnf to test this).
When installing software they all act fairly similar until you want the least bit of control. Sometimes there are odd situations where dependencies calculated are wrong. On an RPM based distro, this can normally be addressed with a simple flag to the package manager or resolver. On Debian, this can be done too with dpkg, but if you use apt then you are ducked and only have one choice, download the problematic .deb file, extract it, adjust the dep list and remake it and then install that new deb file. This is a lot of work for something that an end user ignore flag should be enabled and respected.
That's my observations. To summarise, personally I think apt works better but it does at least one crucial flaw.