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(Pause Thread) Debian 11.6.0, and 12 HP Computer, and Video Problems

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Re: Debian 11.6.0, HP Computer, and Video Problems

#81 Post by DebianUser042923 »

I am within an inch of quitting. I started using Linux back in 2013. After trying several distributions I found my home in the Ubuntu world. I feel that Debian is way over my head. It's awful complicated.

Using this firmware-11.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso, I now have a Debian 11 Stable installed. You may or may not like the partitioning scheme. But it is very simplistic. There is no efi on it because the installer did not create one! I'm fine with that because I hate efi anyways.

From the installer

Guided – use the entire disk

All files in one partition (recommended for new users)

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 SCSI1  (0,0,0)  (sda) – 1.0  TB  ATA SD Ultra 3D  1TB
	#1  primary 999.2 GB		f	ext4	/
	#5  logical	1.0 GB		f	swap	swap
After it is installed

sudo fdisk -l

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Disk /dev/sda: 931.51 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors
Disk model: SD Ultra 3D 1TB 
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0x7c578fc4

Device     Boot      Start        End    Sectors   Size Id Type
/dev/sda1  *          2048 1951522815 1951520768 930.6G 83 Linux
/dev/sda2       1951524862 1953523711    1998850   976M  5 Extended
/dev/sda5       1951524864 1953523711    1998848   976M 82 Linux swap / Solaris
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# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 11.6.0 _Bullseye_ - Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20221217-10:45]/ bullseye contrib main non-free

#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 11.6.0 _Bullseye_ - Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20221217-10:45]/ bullseye contrib main non-free

deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free

# bullseye-updates, to get updates before a point release is made;
# see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free

# This system was installed using small removable media
# (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom"
# entries were disabled at the end of the installation process.
# For information about how to configure apt package sources,
# see the sources.list(5) manual.
Now that the sources.list file needs to be altered. I have not been able to find the kind of information that I need to know what to change what to what. I can keep searching if you want. At least a little while longer. But If I can't figure this out, once and for all. I'm done.

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Re: Debian 11.6.0, HP Computer, and Video Problems

#82 Post by Random_Troll »

The release notes for each version include an extensive upgrade guide. Bookworm isn't released yet but it's due in two weeks so there is a draft version available:

https://www.debian.org/releases/testing ... ng.en.html

It is very thorough so be sure to read it all. Do not attempt to follow random internet guides, most of them are nonsense. Debian provides copious official documentation that should always be preferred over blogs by random strangers.

https://www.debian.org/doc/
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Re: Debian 11.6.0, HP Computer, and Video Problems

#83 Post by DebianUser042923 »

I think someone tried to take over my computer. All of a sudden my text editor opened up on it's own, and I saw the text being pushed down. Then weird stuff happened the terminal by it's self. Then it looked like someone tried to get into my timeshift. It was weird. I had to do a force shut down!

After seeing this I am not sure that even trust the security of the system.

There were windows randomly popping of everywhere. I don't think I have ever seen anything like this before!

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Re: Debian 11.6.0, HP Computer, and Video Problems

#84 Post by DebianUser042923 »

Random_Troll wrote: 2023-05-25 05:32 The release notes for each version include an extensive upgrade guide. Bookworm isn't released yet but it's due in two weeks so there is a draft version available:

https://www.debian.org/releases/testing ... ng.en.html

It is very thorough so be sure to read it all. Do not attempt to follow random internet guides, most of them are nonsense. Debian provides copious official documentation that should always be preferred over blogs by random strangers.

https://www.debian.org/doc/
I printed your stuff here. But I got to tell you I'm really sorry that I thought I could come to debian and find a solution for this problem! I want to say right now. I GIVE UP!

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#85 Post by DebianUser042923 »

It's over and done. After several weeks of trying to troubleshoot. I'm done. This is beyond my ability. I wiped 6 different drives that I had been using for trying to figure this issue out. And I'm getting rid of the ISO files too. I am grateful that some people tried to help me. But things just kept going downhill. Now things have finally gotten beyond my mental capabilities. I'm the kind of person that needs things step my step. And this has gotten beyond step by step.

While I was running my latest install of Debian 11, I'm pretty sure someone, somehow took control of it. That was a very freaky experience. I can't trust it.

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Re: Debian 11.6.0, HP Computer, and Video Problems

#86 Post by DebianUser042923 »

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@CynicalDebian

I think I finally got apt working.

I downloaded and installed debian-live-bkworm-DI-rc4-amd64-xfce.iso

Download Links:
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/book ... so-hybrid/
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/book ... 4-xfce.iso

The Raspi-Firmware is still on this ISO file but I was able to remove it by first sudo rm /etc/initramfs/post-update.d/z50-raspi-firmware

I also tried:
sudo apt purge raspi-firmware
dpkg --remove-architecture arm64
apt update

Anyways it seems to be gone

Image

The system upgraded without any errors.

However the video problem is still a problem.

I did some testing on MX Linux 21.3 ahs
Link to ISO:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/mx-lin ... o/download

The reason why I chose to test with MX Linux is because it is a Debian based distro that allows you to easily try out different Kernels.

I made a screen shot:

Image

When I was running it on the Debian Kernels I had problems with the Video. The same problems I am having with Debian 11 and 12. However, when I installed the antiX Kernels, and tried them, the Video problems goes away. This is why I think there is a bug in the Debian Kernels.

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#87 Post by CynicalDebian »

@DebianUser042923

Welcome back ^_^
DebianUser042923 wrote:The system upgraded without any errors.

However the video problem is still a problem.
Hmm, so you have confirmed that the latest Bookworm suffers from this problem with non-free-firmware installed? That sucks.
his is why I think there is a bug in the Debian Kernels.
Yeah I completely agree based on your testing that seems to be a bug in Debian mainline that is getting patched incidentally on custom kernels, of course if I had your hardware there might be more debugging I could do, but it's all gonna be a bit magic and not make much sense over the forum.

The best idea would be to try and find a kernel dev who is familiar with the intel audio subsystem, or perhaps at least a Debian dev who is familiar with an issue like this to see if they can help or at least help you file a bug. You might take a glance at these but I don't think they will do you much good.

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelReportingBugs
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi ... -bugs.html

I would ask on a mailing list to see if you can find someone who knows what commands to get from you to solve or debug an issue like this, maybe debian-user or some kernel mailing list. Explain that you have non-free-firmware and just want to report this bug! The difficulty for novices (as in, not kernel hackers) to report bugs in Debian is definitely an issue that leads to users like you getting stranded.

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists

Of course you may get chewed out by someone if you don't do it perfectly :/ I don't use mailing lists so I can't speak to their respectfulness for such an issue. In the meantime I would just use MX Linux with a custom kernel, but I appreciate your willingness to try and solve this mystery.
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#88 Post by mrmazda »

What OP hasn't reported here (that I have been able to spot, or already forgot, in this lengthy thread) is after post #80 he asked for help on https://www.linuxquestions.org/question ... 175725399/. That (also very lengthy) thread continues. I am one of several who have attempted to help. Like OP, I too have a Haswell (test box):

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# inxi -C
CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Pentium G3220 bits: 64 type: MCP cache:
    L2: 512 KiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 2535 min/max: 800/3000 cores: 1: 2875 2: 2195
# inxi -SAaz --vs --zl --hostname
inxi 3.3.27-00 (2023-05-07)
System:
  Host: ab85m Kernel: 5.10.0-22-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 10.2.1 parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz root=LABEL=<filter> noresume
    ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 consoleblank=0 preempt=full mitigations=off
  Desktop: Trinity info: kicker wm: Twin dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian
    GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
    vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0
    chip-ID: 8086:0c0c class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio
    vendor: ASUSTeK 8 driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
    chip-ID: 8086:8c20 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k5.10.0-22-amd64 status: kernel-api
    tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: PulseAudio v: 14.2 status: active (root, process)
    tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol
# dpkg-query -W | egrep 'alsa|arts|audio|demult|gstr|jack|mix|pavu|puls|sof-|sound|wire|xdg' | sort
alsa-base       1.0.27+1
alsa-tools      1.2.2-1
alsa-utils      1.2.4-1
artsbuilder-trinity     4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
arts-trinity    4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
kaudiocreator-trinity   4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
kmix-trinity    4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
libarts1-akode-trinity  4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
libarts1-audiofile-trinity      4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
libarts1c2a-trinity:amd64       4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
libarts1-mpeglib-trinity        4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
libarts1-xine-trinity   4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
libartsc0-trinity:amd64 4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
libasound2:amd64        1.2.4-1.1
libasound2-data 1.2.4-1.1
libasound2-plugins:amd64        1:1.2.2-dmo4
libaudio2:amd64 1.9.4-7
libaudiofile1:amd64     0.3.6-5
libgstreamer1.0-0:amd64 1.18.4-2.1
libjack-jackd2-0:amd64  1.9.17~dfsg-1
libpulse0:amd64 14.2-2
libpulsedsp:amd64       14.2-2
libpulse-mainloop-glib0:amd64   14.2-2
libwebrtc-audio-processing-0:amd64      0.1-3
libwebrtc-audio-processing1:amd64       0.3-1+b1
menu-xdg        0.6+nmu1
pavucontrol     4.0-2
pulseaudio      14.2-2
pulseaudio-utils        14.2-2
sound-theme-freedesktop 0.8-2
tdemultimedia-kappfinder-data-trinity   4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
tdemultimedia-tdefile-plugins-trinity   4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-trinity     4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
tdemultimedia-trinity   4:14.1.0-0debian11.0.0+0
xdg-user-dirs   0.17-2
Also on it, mostly similarly configured (pipewire instead of pulseaudio), is Bookworm, plus openSUSE, Fedora, Mageia, Mint & Ubuntu in current and prior versions all (except Mint only current). Today I decided to try to reproduce OP's problem, but after he finally posted a link to this thread, I thought I should check here first. I have MPV and VLC working, but still need to find suitable material to determine if I can reproduce.

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#89 Post by CynicalDebian »

@mrmazda

Welcome to the thunderdome :D. I also have Haswell, but I do all my audio stuff off of my DAC and my display off of my dGPU. I will try to test HDMI audio with the iGPU soon, but I eagerly wait to see if you can reproduce the problem, but I don't think you will. My theory is still a bad BIOS. But you may be onto something with this DRI/crocus stuff

I read this entire thing:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/ ... notes.html
But I have no idea how relevant it is and I would not want our hero to have to do kernel debugging.


@DebianUser042923
Seems like you have some opinions on me :(, but it's ok, I will still *try* to help! h2-1 would be nice to have on this forum >_>, I would read and follow their advice.

Do you still have your Bookworm system? I think any further testing should be best done on that, seems h2-1 think the issue is just with your video player! It could be, I didn't have you test this since the video you sent was very convincing that this was unlikely to be an issue with your video player (and I have big faith in MPV). Do you experience the same issue on web browser video?
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Re: (Update) Debian 11.6.0, and 12 HP Computer, and Video Problems

#90 Post by mrmazda »

I replied to the other thread again. His sources.list here doesn't have a deb-multimedia.org repo enabled, possibly handicapping his Bullseye and Bookworm MPV & VLC for videos he watches.

As I don't normally watch videos on my PCs, I still don't know what material I should use to try to reproduce his problem on mine, or even what to expect.

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#91 Post by DebianUser042923 »

I need to pause this thread.

There is a lot of information being written to me. It is going to take me some time to absorb it all. I had to print it. I AM TRYING TO DO THE BEST I CAN. But I don't THINK I know as much about this stuff as you guys do! Which of course is part of why I ask for help. I won't lie, I was hoping that this could of just been a report and move on with life.

I want to show you my very first thread I wrote when I very first discovered this problem. It was on MX Linux 21. I published the thread on Sun Jul 10, 2022

https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php ... 33#p689133

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Re: (Update) Debian 11.6.0, and 12 HP Computer, and Video Problems

#92 Post by DebianUser042923 »

mrmazda wrote: 2023-06-02 14:31 I replied to the other thread again. His sources.list here doesn't have a deb-multimedia.org repo enabled, possibly handicapping his Bullseye and Bookworm MPV & VLC for videos he watches.

As I don't normally watch videos on my PCs, I still don't know what material I should use to try to reproduce his problem on mine, or even what to expect.
I have been wondering, are you plugged into a HDMI TV? Do you get sound from the TV? If your computer configuration isn't like mine, then you probably can't reproduce my problem.

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#93 Post by DebianUser042923 »

I am going to call this solved. Today I think I came up with the solutions. They are based on your suggestions on LinuxQuestions and here.

Number 1: This computer needs this Kernel.
6.3.8-1-liquorix-amd64

Once that Kernel is installed MPV starts to work correctly. At least as far as I can tell, it does.

Number 2: I had to add this to the sources.list file.
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org bookworm main non-free

Follow the instructions on this site.
http://www.deb-multimedia.org

I did run into some broken package problems, that I fixed by removing VLC and few other things. Then re installing VLC.

Under the Debian Kernel, VLC is way to messed up to watch. Under liquorix-amd64 Kernel, and with the deb-multimedia stuff installed VLC can be made to work by Disabling Hardware-acceleration.

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#94 Post by Random_Troll »

deb-multimedia.org has a fairly strong chance of breaking your system.

For example: viewtopic.php?t=154881
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Re: (Pause Thread) Debian 11.6.0, and 12 HP Computer, and Video Problems

#95 Post by DebianUser042923 »

Random_Troll wrote: 2023-06-16 22:11 deb-multimedia.org has a fairly strong chance of breaking your system.

For example: viewtopic.php?t=154881
This Hardware needs it! And if it breaks the system, then I will simply stop using Debian, and go with some other Distro. So unless you got a better solution, there is nothing more I can do.

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DebianUser042923 wrote: 2023-06-16 22:26This Hardware needs it!
Doubtful.
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#97 Post by DebianUser042923 »

Random_Troll wrote: 2023-06-16 23:59
DebianUser042923 wrote: 2023-06-16 22:26This Hardware needs it!
Doubtful.
Why do you call yourself a Troll?

After a month of work and pulling my hair out. This is the only thing I found that worked.

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#98 Post by DebianUser042923 »

Even though the video stuff seems to be working now. I found yet another bug. After the system automatically logs me out, and I log back in. It forgets that it can send audio to the HDMI. The HDMI completely disappears from Pulse Audio. I don't think I'm going to keep trying to make Debian 12 Bookworm work on this hardware. I have run into too many bugs with it, and I'm tired of trying to fix them. It's really sad since Ubuntu is moving into snaps and it's slowing down their system. Because Ubuntu based OSes have always worked good on this hardware. They have historically been a happy medium for me. I guess if I get forced to use debian on this hardware then It will probably be MX Linux with the antix kernel combo. That seems like the least buggy way to go about it.

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DebianUser042923 wrote: 2023-06-17 00:14Why do you call yourself a Troll?
Because I enjoy trolling and disruption. The only way to stop me is by nerd sniping and even then I'll probably troll around the edges if I get bored. Having me as a forum member is like having a sheepdog as a pet — you have to keep me entertained or I'll wreck the furniture :mrgreen:
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#100 Post by DebianUser042923 »

I just installed from: debian-12.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso. It has all the same bugs that Debian 11, Debian 12 Testing, and now Debian 12 Final Release. On this, HP EliteDesk 800 G1 SFF. It can't playback youtube videos correctly. Videos you download, it can't playback, correctly on MPV, VLC, or Parole Media Player! But when I'm using Linux Mint XFCE it can. When I'm using Arch It can. It can't if I'm using MX Linux with the Debian Kernel. Change the Kernel to 5.10 antiX it can. PCLinuxOS it can. This is a deal breaker for me. I can't use Debian on this machine. :(

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