Libra Chat Stifles Users Freedom

[gamingondebian]

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I wanted to let the Debian community know, that all across Gnu/Linux land there is a contemporary effort to stifle our communities capability to communicate with one another, freely share information, and express themselves. Libra Chat irc, and linux distirbution web forums are used to abuse people in our community, and are manipulated to prevent people from speaking and interacting freely with one another, and this is one of the most extreme threats to the security of our operating systems right now.

Web forums, and web chat rooms such as IRC are vulnerable to exploitation by interested parties, and are being taken advantage of. Users are harrassed, manipulated, banned, their posts are manipulated, they use deception, and all means available to them, to take advantage of the situation.

For those of us, who try to help people this situation is distressing to say the least. we should not have our trust violated, and good will towards one another. But we should be aware that people use computers, and leverage technology for different purposes, and often times that means to stifle people's freedom, to stifle their speech, and break their technology.

Debian is a proud Gnu + Linux distribution, and makes this distinction precisely because of the fact, that it is an organization interested in supporting the freedom, and security, of it's community.

[jmgibson1981]

I wanted to let the Debian community know, that all across Gnu/Linux land there is a contemporary effort to stifle our communities capability to communicate with one another, freely share information, and express themselves. Libra Chat irc, and linux distirbution web forums are used to abuse people in our community, and are manipulated to prevent people from speaking and interacting freely with one another, and this is one of the most extreme threats to the security of our operating systems right now.

And your proof of this is.....?

[gamingondebian]

That's based on my personal experience attempting to interact with people all throughout the entire online Gnu + Linux Community, including on their web forums, and IRC channels, such as Libra IRC.

It's typical for example, for people to constantly(24/7)(100%) deny people respect, and declare their views to be invalid, and untrustworthy, for failing to provide "evidence" or because they can simply argue in a chat forum, that you are wrong. That is not a logical argument, however, it is simply argumentative, which means, to argue with people, for the sake of arguing with people.

Then what they do, is cut and paste text from organizational statements, in effect creating an information vacuum, where only organizational statements are accepted as valid information, such as advertising, and commercial based information, such as what a google search will produce, and all independent communication, and development, is denied!

This is extreme manipulation, and not typical bad behavior between people on the internet, and is unique, to Gnu+Linux communities, directly contradicting their shared community.

And if you want proof, you can find out just as easily as I have. Anyone can.

[CwF]

to argue with people, for the sake of arguing with people.

It is my take this seems to be your style, your tone, and possibly, your point, if not your nth attempt at it here.

[gamingondebian]

Yes that's why my posts are multiple paragraphs long, whereas you bring short witty remarks that defeat conversation, bring it to a dead halt, typically.

Some of us actually want to speak to other people in Gnu+Linux forums, instead of making fun of them, quoting their posts, and deriding their every effort, to reach out freely to other people in the world.

Now this is a widespread problem, which should rightfully concern you. It is a situation that directly effects the security of the Debian operating system and it's community.

Debian is a GNU based Operating system. Failing to support the freedom of it's users, is in strict contravention of the license to use the GNU Operating system. In my mind, that means it is in effect a violation of our security fundamentally, to deny people their freedom.

That's the whole subject in this case: people are actively denying the freedom of the users of Debian, and GNU and Linux, via the manipulation of their communication protocols, on web forums, and IRC chat such as Libra Chat.

[friendlysalmon88]

Back when I started my Linux journey some 23+ odd years ago, I'd constantly get flamed which would cause me to become quite distrusting of not just the imitator of the flame war but certain members of my family who'd either used OS x or Windows would label me as an outlier

I'd also become the target of name calling in several distribution specific user communities,O'd misinterpretation this flaming and name calling to mean that I wasn't at all liked or welcome or shouldn't even be using Linux at all. I experienced quite a lot of this in the early days on the Fedora specific as well as the Debian specific IRC chat rooms and user forums.

[jmgibson1981]

With all due respect you are clearly missing the fact that the ENTIRE world is like this. Not just open source forums and such. This is no surprise. People hate each other. And if you are religious you should know why (stopping there). People are more against each other than ever before, more divided, less respectful. So you are calling out the open source world so to speak when really it's no different than anything else. Therefore it doesn't stand out. It would almost seem like you are highlighting it to start up some big debate which really is just reinforcing the problem rather than trying to address it.

At the end of the day we can all only improve ourselves. Until that happens you can talk about things till you're blue in the face but all it's doing is stirring the pot. Not remotely a positive result.

[Northpoint]

I have heard this type of problem ever since I got into computers really. Some people think because they are anonymous they can pretty much say whatever. I have always held the belief that if I am in a forum I am a guest and I should act accordingly. People are a bit more thin skinned I think now-a-days. So, Any comment can be taken wrong especially when you cannot express emotions in a forum that well.